The Eucharist

This one exist also in norwegian. I wrote this in norwegian, and translated it. So it might not be very good.

I stumbled across a discussion about the core of the Reformation in av Catholic discussion board, and read an interesting comment (I’m not sure if you can read it withou being a mamber.) The person starting the thread, a Catholic, mentioned a letter by Tolkien where he claimed that it wasn’t “faith or works” which was the real core of the Reformation, but the Mass and the Eucharist. Tolkien in fact claimed that the discussion about “faith or works” was a red herrin, and not the real reason behind the Reformation.

Zwingli, who was a Catholic priest, started his “reformation” one year before Luther, by slowly but surely “eliminated all the references to the Mass as a sacrifice, and then eradicated all references to Transubstantiation, and so on and so forth.” (from the above mentioned discussion)

It is in fact interesting to see that in one of the few places where Christ’s followers abandon Him — except before his Passion — is in John 6, where he talks about the Eucharist (see the end of this article.) And the big controversial issue between the reformators was indeed the Eucharist. Luther and Zwingli became almost enemies because of it.

But why is people, who claim to hold to “the clear teachings of the Bible,” som against the Eucharist as it is understood by Catholics? Let me take a look at Luke 22:19. It contains three interesting words:

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” (NKJV)

Let me take a look at the emphasized words:

  1. “[Gave] thanks…” The greek word is eucharisteo.
  2. “Do…” The greek word is poieo
  3. “Remembrance…” The greek word is anamnesis

1/2. “Do this…”

The greek word is also uses in the greek OT (Septuaginta), in Exodus 29:38. As it si translated in the NKJV: “Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two lambs of the first year, day by day continually.” (emphasis added)

What Christ says, is; “Offer this in remembrance of Me.” But what is an offer, a sacrifice? When you sacrifice something, you set it aside for God, makes it holy. We see this in the actual word sacrifice, which is derived from sacred, holy. The problem is that people seem to think that sacrifice means blood.

Some people might also point to Matt. 9:13: “I desire mercy and not sacrifice.” But this is a paraphrase of Hosea 6:6, a text from the OT: “For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”

And if you use Matt. 9:13 as a “proof” that offerings and sacrifices are ruled out for Christians, than why not for the Old Testament Jews, since the quote is from the OT? Why didn’t God remove the sacrifices right there and then?

The point is that sacrifices is not bad in and of themselves, but that one should always meet it with the right attitude. We see this quite literally in the NT:

“Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.” (Matt. 5:23-24)

“Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.” (1. Cor. 11:27-29)

This sacrificial aspect can also be tied to the first word in Luke 22:19. We see therefor that the Eucharist is a offer of thanks, we we remember the death and ressurection of Christ by re-presenting His sacrifice on Calvary. Vi thank God, and we do this by actually invoking christ to be strengthened by Him. To the next word.

3. “Remembrance…”

The greek word anamnesis is found amongst others in Plato (and we cannot totally rip a word from its historical context.) Let me quote from an article on St. Paul and Real Presence:

You’ll notice that in the passage quoted the word for begins [1 Corinthians 11:26] just after the phrase containing the term anamnesis. Verse 26 explains the meaning of doing this in memory. It says that anamnesis involves a proclamation of the Lord’s death in this act of consecration. But how does eating and drinking proclaim the Lord’s death as verse 26 says? Proclaiming a message usually involves preaching, teaching or speaking in some form. But recall the old saying that “actions speak louder than words.” I suggest that it is through anamnesis that the Lord’s death is proclaimed. The eucharistic actions of the Church proclaim the Lord’s death by making the Lord present to the worshiping community of faith. (…)

In Greek culture, anamnesis was a term used to denote the movement of an abstract idea into this material world. Plato, for example, used it as one of his key ideas. For him, knowledge was an act of anamnesis, or “remembering,” whereby the realities of the world of forms (ideas) came to people in this world. So, anamnesis meant more of a process in which something in another world came to be embodied in this physical world. (…)

The Corinthians lived in a Greek culture and it would have been natural for them to understand anamnesis as describing this transfer from the heavenly world to the material world. Even more importantly, if Jesus used Hebrew or Aramaic at the Last Supper, Paul (or whoever first translated the words of consecration into Greek) chose the term anamnesis. By doing so, he was allowing that anamnesis could have the meaning that Greek-speaking people associated with that term, namely, a transfer from the heavenly world to this earthly, material world. (…)

Remember that Paul was a Jewish Pharisee (cf. Phil. 3:5), and very possibly a rabbi (cf. Acts 22:2) before his conversion. All this means that when he used anamnesis, he may have used it with a Hebrew meaning as well as a Greek one. The Hebrew word for “memorial” is zikaron and it has a similar connotation to anamnesis in Greek culture. It is more than mental recollection. The celebration of the Passover was believed to involve a participation in the original exodus from Egypt. The purpose of this being an annual and perpetual event for the children of Israel was that every generation could experience the liberation from slavery that the first generation in Egypt had experienced. Thus, zikaron connotes a participation in an event of the past rather than simply a mental recollection of that event.[1]

Plato’s idea was that we remember, and in fact really invoke, the Forms, and this was taken a bit further by Aristotle. Aristotle thought that Plato was too dualistic. Aristotle stand right between (i) Plato’s hard realism, were material things doesn’t really exist, and (ii) a hard materialism, which denies the existence of anything immaterial. This aristotelian teaching, which distinguishes between form/essence and matter, is one of the back drops of Transubstantiation, which tells us that even though the matter or species is the same (bread and wine), the form or essence is changed (body and blood.) This is not just philosophical speculation, but a way of explaining how Christ could pick up a piece of bread and say; “This is My body.”

So, we can cay that in the Eucharist we invoke Christ in a concrete way, and we can therefor say that; “This is the body of Christ” and “This is the blood of Christ,” just like He said “This is My body.” He did not say; “This is an image of My body.”

I believe that the Reformation churches should double back on this, especially since they (claim to) follow Sola Scriptura, “Scripture alone.”

“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”(Jesus, John 6:53-58)

Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?” (…)

From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (John 6:60-61.66-69)

Notes & references:

1. Howell, Kenneth J., “Does Paul Teach the Real Presence of Christ?” (This Rock, Vol. 15, no. 2, 2004) (August 8th 2007)

57 thoughts on “The Eucharist

  1. One thing i have noticed in discussions is that many refuse to follow my thought on anamnesis, and claim that the Real Presence is bogus, and that this in only a memorial meal. But if they are correct in their thoughts on anamnesis, that it is only a mere memory, they cannot ditch the Real Presence. No matter how one interprets anamnesis, one must remember the clear words before; “This is My body.”

    1. This is a very old post but a fascinating one, the subject always timely. I agree with you completely about the importance of the concepts of zikaron and anamnesis in understanding the Eucharist.

  2. Hi Kjetil,

    this is a very interesting post. I would agree that for a catholic the main issue in the reformation was the Eucharist. I am inclined to think that the reformers thougth the question on the Eucharist and on the mass as a question subordained to and derived from “justification by faith alone”. That said, it is the roman catholic doctrine on the Eucharist that keeps me from converting from the lutheran catholic/evangelical church.

    Now, when Luther and the lutheran reformers kept the catholic mass in the sunday service (with minor adjustments only) it was certainly because they remained faithfull to the Real Presence. It is of course t h e foundation of the liturgy (Christ is present also in the liturgy!) However, there is a pretty long theological distance from your presentation of the Eucharistic sacrifice of thanksgiving, and the the roman catholic understanding of the mass on the time of reformation; My claim for this to be true is based on what I’ve read in CA. I might be wrong. I’d love to know how the council of Trent defined the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist. Also correct me if I’m wrong in that the Trent documents teach that Christ is re-sacrificed on the altar as an act of remembrance?

    In the way you see it, is the invoking of Christ a sacrifice?

    I think we lutherans would oppose to the concept of an un-blody sacrifice when it comes to the Eucharist. This is simply not the nature of the Eucharist. Christ´s sacrifice IS bloody. And the Real Presence of the Eucharist is likewise bloody. Any sacrificial invoking of the Original sacrifice cannot be anything but a re-sacrification of Christ. This is a late addition in catholic tradition (maybe as early as Hypolyte in the fourth century?) It is not supported in the Bible.

    I find the connection to septuagint Ex 29:38 very weak. The Hebrew text uses the word ASAH, which is the general word for –to do/to make– (in multiple variations). The fine-tuned translation of ASAH is 90% dependent on the context. Sacrifice can be a perfect translation one place, create can be the perfect translation on another place. The LXX translation reflect this fact.

    This re-sacrification of Christ was the common theological reasoning by the time of reformation. It was done in order to earn good works. Which is completely opposite of the nature of the spiritual sacrifice of thanksgiving. (That is, it is opposite if you can manage to make the distinction between justification and glorification [norwegian: helliggjørelse].)

    Lutheran doctrine teach Real Presence. But we do not explain it philosophically by means of Transubstantiation or other theories. It is a sacrament, a Mystery, and we do honor Christ’s work by bringing our own bodies forth in thanks as a spiritual sacrifice in the Eucharist. But Lutherans do not sacrificially invoke Christ (bloody-or-unbloody).

    To me, the latter just confuses everything. The sacrificial invoking just seems so far fetched from the purpose of the Eucharist. However, I’m willing to let myself be convicted by good arguments. How does the Eastern orthodox churches think about the ananmnesis? Is it connected to the sacrificial invoking? And how can a sacrificial invoking (done by the priest — bloody or unbloody) of Christ’s original sacrifice possibly be an act of thanksgiving and honoring God?

    Oh, also, I totally agree with you in the critique of todays mainstream evangelical churches on Real Presence. Rejecting this is nothing less than a heresy, and truly destroys unity among Christians (cf. CA V). Many lay people missions fellowships in Norway — and certainly many evangelical churches here in the US — disregard the Word in this question. It does make me ashamed of being a protestant (though I’m not ashamed of being a lutheran:)

  3. AFAIK, the Catholic Church teaches that we re-present the sacrifice of Christ in the Eucharist. They do not claim to re-sacrifice Christ. Christ said that in the Eucharist we receive “[His] body” and “[His] blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:26.28) This is of course connected to the sacrifice, since it is on the Cross Christ earned our salvation. But I am of the belief that the whole life of Christ is the sacrifice, so that we will always. Paul wrote that in Christ “dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 2:9) And he wrote: “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.” (2. Cor. 8:9)

    Therefore when we receive Christ in the sacrament, we will also partake in His sacrifice, since He is “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev. 13:8)

    I believ this is what the Catholic Church means by the sacrifice of the Eucharist, not that we re-sacrifice Christ, but that we through it can partake of that Sacrifice, as we partake of Christ.

    This aspect is of course also a part of [real] Lutheran belief.

  4. So far so good – – – even though the question of the Trent doctrine remains unanswered (I don´t have the time to look it up). The action of re-presenting Christ (yes, it is a priestly action, right?) is then either a re-sacrifice — or — (pardon my HP-analogy) a eucharistic time-turner of some sort. (or maybe a third option?)

    I know the lutheran theologian Regin Prenter talked about what he called “Eucharistic time”. In his dogmatic main work (or one of them) he talks about the concept of time.

    However, even though it might make perfectly good sense, the biblical fundament to “Eucharistic time” is somewhat – – thin?

    Would you, Kjetil, become a roman catholic priest if you knew that the priest is supposed to actively re-sacrifice Christ? I’m not looking for the ecumenical talk-around-the-problem-and-find-the-unifying-answer. It is the solid doctrine that is my concern.

  5. No, I wouldn’t.

    As far as the time argument goes, I find it interesting, and not especially unbiblical. One could say that in the Eucharist, as in the Incarnation, eternity “touches” time. And the sacrifice is eternal, because, as I pointed out before, Christ is “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev. 13:8)

    And you know that I don’t only refer to the Bible, but also to Tradition, especially to the Church Fathers.

    And I must ask, what is the problem for us offering a sacrifice of thanks? Maybe the Eucharist, which is exactly that, is a way of us to remember Christ’s sacrifice and thank God for it.

    Paul wrote: “For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.” (1. Cor. 11:26) It can also be interesting to read Psalm 116:12-14:

    What shall I render to the LORD
    for all his benefits to me?
    I will lift up the cup of salvation
    and call on the name of the LORD,
    I will pay my vows to the LORD
    in the presence of all his people.

  6. Great article!~

    I have a question though… Im confused on how you can have such a good understanding of the Scriptures, appear to be more Catholic than Lutheran, yet still claim to be a Lutheran? What are you waiting for? Hah, your so close…

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  12. Very good article.
    My personal faith has blossomed when I learn about the Hebrew word Zikaron.
    Because this is undoubtably the word Jesus used during the last supper.
    It’s hard to understand at first.
    It’s more of an experience than a memorial or remembrance.
    Also that the Hebrew language has a lot of concepts in it instead of straight forward definitions.
    God transcends time, so when Jesus says to do this as his Zikaron.
    It’s like time stands still and your reliving/experiencing the very first Communion.
    This is enriching, rewarding, and a very powerful.

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